Collaborating with the Steward Observatory, the Vatican Observatory built the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mt. The only answer being that central casting and planning want it that way. Hence, in 1987 the Vatican Observatory Foundation was established. It's holy ground, sacred and alive to the Apache bands that call this corner of the Southwest home. receive notifications of new posts by email. The Vatican Observatory Research Group (VORG) operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. Vatican Observatory. Father Coyne stated that to convince him that the mountain was sacred he would need to see evidence of shrines and that he would not accept Apache oral history or statements by Apache-speaking Euro-American anthropologists. Does the Lakota sweat ceremony provide a sense of place? On this sacred and ecologically diverse mountain the University of Arizona and other international scientists chose to build an astronomical observatory. We have been fighting or trying to make the people understand that we feel that anything that'splaced on the ground or anything that puts out radiation or any kind of electrical equipment destroys our way of praying.. Graham in Arizona to mount a telescope there? The Apache regard the Mt. To make people believe its BAD and evil, while its isnt. by Greg Szymanski, JD, ArcticBeacon.com, April 23, 2010 Published here: Thursday, April 29, 2010 @ 5:10 AM University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope 'Lucifer' Housed at Mt. The Trump administration is set to approve a controversial land swap, clearing the way for a giant copper mine to open beneath sacred Oak Flat. Also, when we look in the Latin Vulgates version of 2 Pe 1:19, the Greek word for morning-star (phosphoros) is translated as lucifer, indicating that the word lucifer was never intended to be understood as a proper name: Even the writers of the Catholic Encyclopedia admit the parable is expressly directed towards the King of Babel so why the Lucifer translation? Then somebody remarked that Mt Graham also hosts the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, and that it is somewhat amusing that Mt Graham has both Vatican and Lucifer. You CANNOT find convex water. Father Coyne stated that to convince him that the mountain was sacred he would need to see evidence of shrines and that he would not accept Apache oral history or statements by Apache-speaking Euro-American anthropologists. The Forest Service is urged to deny a new permit and require that existing telescopes be removed. Again, the creator. OAK . Vatican Observatory VS San Carlos Apache Sacred Land Mount Graham, also known as Dzil Nchaa Si An, rises majestically from the Sonoran Desert in northwestern Arizona. By the 1930s, however, the citys lights had begun to blot out the fainter stars, and in 1935 Pope Pius XI moved the Observatory to the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo, a town in the Alban Hills about 25 kilometers outside Rome. So we are indoctrinated, and by college no less. The spiritual value of Mount Graham to the Apache was not considered. Another group installed a telescope it nicknamed Lucifer. 03 Nov. 2012. From that time, the Papacy has manifested an interest in and support for astronomical research. Re: Did the Vatican name a telescope lucifer? The Lucifer Telescope, Sacred Apache Land & the Vatican Enjoy this podcast, and so much more Podcasts are available without a subscription, 100% free. Sonoita. Our brothers originally believed and taught that Isa 14:12 was an address to hasatan, in ignorance; however, upon knowledge of the truth we immediately adjusted. I think its strange that this cult which clearly states you should (as does the Bible)avoid all appearance of evil has partnered with any group that chooses an acronym such as Lucifer. Dedicated in 1993, the VATT utilizes some of the most advanced and innovative optics, electronics and mechanics available once again positioning the Vatican at the forefront of astronomy.. <p>Guess What Happens When "They're The ONLY" Game In Town? VATT is part of the Mount Graham International Observatory situated on Mount Graham in southeast Arizona, and is operated by the Vatican Observatory, one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world, in partnership with The University of Arizona. Even in Freemasonry when you reach high degree they say that most been taught its to be bad, instead of good. RT @The_777_lioness: I did know that and did you know the Vatican fought in Federal Court against The Apache Tribe and others to get the land on Mt. Graham, critics wonder are the 'evil ones' planning a staged end times scenario By Greg Szymanski, JD April 23, 2010 The University of Arizona, together with the Vatican and Jesuit Order, announced today it named its newest high-powered telescopic instrument 'Lucifer'. 237- COFFEE BREAK: Q-ANON: AS THE WORLD TURNS: HYPOTHESIS- RIDDLE: SOLVED? Since the power line was not included in the first phase of the project, opponents of the project challenged UA in court on the grounds that the power line and all future construction should be subject to the NEPA, ESA, and NHPA. Bigelow and Lemmon, High Elevation Antarctic Terahertz Telescope, Telescopes Used Primarily for Public Viewing, Raymond E. White, Jr. 21" Telescope on Campus, Other Talks for the Professional Community. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. Only three telescopes have been constructed so far on the summit, and the Apache people continue to voice their opposition to what they believe is the defilement of their holy place. )), According to an online article by Lee Alen earlier this year, prior to the building the Vatican Observatory group claimed that Mount Graham could not be a sacred site due to its lack of religious shrines. The people of these tribes were mixed with other Apache tribes when placed on reservations in the 1800s, but have slowly made their way back to their native lands and have distinct cultural and religious backgrounds. LBTO headquarters is located on the Tucson campus of the University of Arizona. These early traditions of observational astronomy reached their climax in the mid-nineteenth century with the research of the Jesuit, Fr. In 1873, Mount Graham was removed from the boundaries of the San Carlos Reservation and placed in public domain. In reaction to the Director of the Vatican Observatorys claim members of the San Carlos Apache residing in the area surrounding Mount Graham stated that, the construction of the telescope constituted a profound disrespect for a cherished feature of their original homeland and a violation of traditional religious beliefs., (Telescope construction on the summit of Mount Graham, 1992. 03 Nov. 2012. The telescope's official name is the Alice P. Lennon Telescope The design of the device allows for extremely sharp levels of foc What Is the Vatican Telescope Looking For? The LBT observing instruments split into single beam instruments receiving light from one primary mirror only, and instruments combining the beams of the two mirrors while conserving their phase relation (interferometers). Due to Arizona's high elevation and clear skies, the VATT is just one among dozens of telescopes located in the state; as the Vatican Observatory website reports, Arizona is "where sky conditions are among the best in the world, and . Many people have not paid much attention to the ancient laws. LOL. Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated that he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. They controlled the information content, the scientists of astronomy were controlled by both the Vatican, as evidenced by Copernicus becoming a Roman Catholic priest in his later days, and the Royal Society of London, owned by the Crown of Engalnd. Sign up for Storyblocks at http://storyblocks.com/haiGet a Half as Interesting t-shirt: https://standard.tv/collections/half-as-interesting Suggest a video: . Apache elders filed suit in 1991 to halt the project, seven months later it was thrown out and construction began. Mount Graham, the colonial name for Dzi Nchaa Si'an, was part of the San Carlos Apache Reservation until 1873, when the federal government seized it by presidential executive order, deeming it. Indigenous worldviews, values and sacred places strengthen the earths biological and cultural diversity, in distribution: standing on sacred ground, Mount Graham threatens science without humanity. [] sacred sites (in the U.S.) have been used for telescopes and observatories, one of which is Mount Graham (guaranteed not the Apache name for that peak: actually it is called Dzil ncha si []. Nearly all major telescopes in use (including the Hubble Space Telescope) are reflecting telescopes. For a little more than four decades astronomical research was carried out, including a prominent international program to map the whole sky. The Bible has the tendency to be silent concerning the specifics in heavenly matters; and it probably does so for a reason, being that not all heavenly things are to be revealed to humans (2 Cor 14:12). In addition there is a unique meteorite collection from which a knowledge of the early history of the solar system is being derived. Measuring 1.83 m (6 ft 0 in) wide, the telescope achieved its first light in 1993. How can they shift is your question. FREE New Book #9 The Bible for AwakeningTruthers. Placing unauthorized or unwelcomed whatever on Indian sacred ground, like this telescope, or even taking any sort of sacred symbols, down to the rocks and dirt, without permission or a blessing to do so, could be a nightmare, a real life story for a Dan Brown novel and may add to the growing issues facing the Catholic Church. A whole Luciferian Religion (the worship of self and satan) has sprung off a Christian error! then how do you like the show??? Mount Graham was the free land . Perhaps you can enlighten us by answering one of these basic FE doctrine related questions (and if youre really astute, why not all of them!). Trying to make it seem like everything on the Internet is fake news and the only ones you can trust are the major news stations. I remind you I answered your questions. Graham. (Photo by Genevieve Clayton) (DiCosola, Maria. Early Masonic magicians like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton, along with their modern Masonic astro-not counter-parts like Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins, hand-in-hand with NASA and world Freemasonry using everything from books, magazines, and television to computer-generated imaging, have succeeded, in the minds of the masses, to pick up the fixed Earth, shape it into a ball, spin it in circles, and throw it around the Sun! So please dont believe these flat earth people. The sun and moon are suspended by magnetism and they were originally created and set in motion as part of a big clock-like feature by a creator, just as many ancient cultures and religious tenants profess. The mission of VATT is displayed prominently outside the entrance in Latin and in English indoors. Teachers to the New Up and Coming Astronomers, The Vatican. The Fight for Dzil Nchaa Si An, Mt. Papal interest in astronomy can be traced to Pope Gregory XIII who had the Tower of the Winds built in the Vatican in 1578 and later called on Jesuit astronomers and mathematicians to study the scientific data and implications involved in the reform of the calendar which occurred in 1582. The Large Binocular Telescope which is not affiliated with the Vatican Observatory is a pair of 8.4m telescopes side by side. And yes, its named for the Devil, whose name itself means morning star [and which] happens to be right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. The Vatican Observatory does not own each piece of equipment, nor can it give official names or nicknames to things it does not own. For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs . Both observing time and responsibility for VATT are shared with the University of Arizona on a 75% VORG, 25 % Arizona basis. Indian Country Today Media Network, LLC, 18 June 2012. Im patient. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Possibly! Details: apache-sitgreaves.org, 480-221-9738. They were set in motion by a creator. of the Morning! Coverage of Indigenous issues at the intersection of climate, culture and commerce is supported by the Catena Foundation and the Water Funder Initiative. "When the white people, the non-Indians, invaded, they assumed the 'moral authority' versus the 'treacherous savage Apaches,'" Riley said. I always thought that was just a tad weird, [] wolves calculate that one! The partial phase ends at 1:51 a.m. In this "prayer proposal" the indigenous people needed to disclose the specific time and place they planned on praying. It is also a landscape of enormous biological diversity, home to the endangered Mount Graham red squirrel. Although this statement may be true, the San Carlos Apache are not alone in their fight to protect their sacred land. The land is sacred to Native Americans from the San Carlos Apache Indian Reservation and many other Arizona tribes. We also offer ebooks, audiobooks, and more, for only $11.99/month. Web. Heres a simpler question. Mount Graham Coalition, n.d. In 1997 the University of Arizona requested that all Apache's must apply for permission to pray 48 hours in advance. These early traditions of the Observatory reached their climax in the mid-nineteenth century with research conducted at the Roman College by the famous Jesuit, Father Angelo Secchi, the first to classify stars according to their spectra. Scientific researchers from around the world make use of MGIO facilities. Web. Web. If you want to learn more about the Vatican's L.U.C.I.F.E.R. In 1986 in Castel Gandolfo, the Vatican Observatory organized a month-long Summer School in Astronomy and Astrophysics for 25 students from around the world taught by eminent scholars invited for the occasion. Coincidently, the Latin word Lucifer has the meaning of morning star, and is defined as the following on the Google online dictionary: morning star: a planet (usually Venus) seen just before sunrise in the eastern sky. Your fourth question seems redundant. The church held most knowledge in books which had laboriously been handwritten by priests until then. Mount Graham is known to the San Carlos Apache as Dzil ncha si an. The Vatican Observatory does not own each piece of equipment nor can it give official names or nicknames to things it does not own. []. They are on a common altitude-azimuth mounting for a combined collecting area of an 11.8m telescope. The telescope project would also play havoc with the red squirrels prime habitat, which brought environmentalists together with tribal leaders in opposition. Graham: Apaches and Astrophysical Development in Arizona | Cultural Survival. In fact, most of the early book publishing companies were in and around Rome for the first hundred years books became available to the masses. VATT is part of the Mount Graham International Observatory and is operated by the Vatican Observatory, one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world, in partnership with The University of Arizona . Funding for the project was only possible with the generosity of private, philanthropic support. And they are nothing but propaganda for the state. Prior to the appeal, congress had passed an act that exemplified the telescope project from the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act, thus resulting in the failure to immediately and permanently halt the telescope project. They are here for one reason, to try and falsify all things on the internet. Even with the claimed ownership of the land and the relocation of many Apache indians, the sacred mountain remained protected by the public park service. But the telescope wouldn't stay in Vatican City for long. (Source). Fifteen years later, after incursions by settlers on what the Apaches knew were their own lands by treaty, they fought back. Reasons to Doubt the Earth is Truly a Sphere, NY Times: Vatican Science Panel Told By Pope Galileo Was Right. The entire mountain and the watersheds that emanate from it should be listed as the traditional cultural property of the Apache. They didnt become a one of the richest groups in the world on just donations. One of Arizona's "Sky Islands," a sacred place to Apaches, has been damaged by development and a controversial observatory. Strange Photo by David Harvey / National Science Foundation Im curious, why would the Vatican name the telescope Lucifer? The fact that this is a sacred place for the Apache was not taken into consideration. Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster.. By 1990, two telescopes had been build on near by mountains and a third, to be built on Mount Graham, was being strongly challenged for environmental reasons by the newly founded Mount Graham Coalition group. (Mount Graham, seen from U.S. 191, south of Safford, Ariz. Photo by Ben Lund / CC BY-SA 2.0.) It has been weeks since I asked for what should be simple proof, since the majority of the face of this earth is water. That's right $87 million. The Vatican really needed to name their telescope ''LUCIFER'', no matter that the acronym is LBTNIUWCIFUFER??? Research results are published in international journals. The University president claimed that he was unaware that Mount Graham was sacred to the Apache and that the Apache opposed the desecration of this sacred place. Lucifer, the Son "This is a story of light pollution and how it persecutes poor astronomers." In the 1930s, Pope Pius XI relocated the Observatory to . With the environmental and cultural concerns circumvented, UA proceeded to ignore and discredit the San Carlos Apache's claim to the mountain as a sacred place. To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress to remove this, and other, roadblocks. In 1984, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as a site for a complex of 18 telescopes. As the project went forward organizations including the Smithsonian Institute, Ohio State University, and the University of Chicago withdrew from the project in support of protecting the environment as well as the cultural and religious history of the San Carlos Apache. They both have a path that each travels over a years time that has been documented and remains predictable, just as it has been for millennia. Doubt it Answer: The Vatican did not name a telescope "Lucifer.". These narratives have include controlled opposition stories of scientific breakthroughs by Copernicus, Newton, Kepler and Galileo who all had their findings vetted through the Royal Society of England, who validated scientific theory through the 19th century, as well as the Vatican. You have no knowledge of the place you are about to destroy, said Franklin Stanley, San Carlos medicine man, in a 1992 declaration. Interestingly, theres a documentary about Chernobyl nuclear disaster and the prophecy. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. [] Vue Intrieure du Telescope du Vatican L.U.C.I.F.E.R.. An international consortium of astronomers composed of the Vatican, the Arcetri of Italy and the Max Planck Institute of Germany led by the University of Arizona has proposed multiple telescopes in the old-growth forest summit of Mr. Graham. So what happened? Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. This has been fun. In schools where every professors desk is adorned with a spinning Earth-globe, we are lectured on the heliocentric theory of the universe, shown images of ball-planets and videos of men suspended in space. Your email address will not be published. They burned books and writings of other cultures as their ships circumnavigated the globe raping and pillaging other cultures riches. One of those groups installed a telescope and briefly nicknamed one of its attachments "Lucifer" in. These two tribes were the San Carlos Apache and the White Mountain tribe. This western view is very common, because fails to understand the San Carlos Apaches understanding of the land as being sacred for its environmental and historical reasons. Tucson. Even incomplete, the project interferes with Native spiritual beliefs. Theres no way that were going to allow this to be done," people said. Further Chanan you fail to address the thought of the article; which is why an institute or cult church etc that persecuted individuals just for bringing up ideas contrary to the bulsht that they wouldve had the masses believe. The Vatican has collaborations with all major astronomy institutions, so coordinating how information is released is well coordinated; The Observatory carries out these programs in collaboration with many astronomical research institutes in countries including Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Finland, Italy, Lithuania, South Africa, the United States, and as members of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) and the International Center for Relativistic Astrophysics (ICRA). ), In Italy, a center of early printing, print shops had been established in 77 cities and towns by 1500. One of the stake holders in the MGIO is a group of European institutes who built an infrared camera and spectroscope, and named it Lucifer. LUCIFER Built On Sacred Indian Burial Grounds. Only a few years later, scientist began to see the squirrel reappear at higher altitudes on Mount Graham. THE GOLDFISH REPORT NO. Mount Graham was selected for the Vatican observatory due to its exceptional location that would help humans to better understand the origins of the universe. While construction of the projects first phase has continued, the entire Mount Graham mountain range was declared eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places as a traditional cultural property in July 2001. Commentary on Today's Commentaries, Vatican builds a giant telescope and names it ''LUCIFER''. The University of Arizona (UA) selected Mount Graham as their choice location for a seven-telescope observatory project in the 1980s. The Lucifer Telescope, Sacred Apache Land & the Vatican - Jan 18, 2023. Spirit of Darknesss! Vatican builds a giant telescope and names it ''LUCIFER'' The Vatican, the Jesuits and the University of Arizona, unveiled a new telescope centered upon Apache sacred ground, on Mount Graham, in Arizona. Graham to tour the solar system. Apaches and other Native peoples must now obtain a permit to conduct ceremonies in the forest, according to a forest spokesperson. When I also read, Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. At 10,720 feet above sea level, it dominates the otherwise flat landscape in southeastern Arizonas Gila River Valley. Posted By: Steve Allen January 14, 2016. Back in 2010, the University of Arizona, . star plain and simple. Put . The observatory ended up in court and the opponents lost. To many, religious and otherwise, the question of who exactly Lucifer is an easy one to answer. Not only was this constructed, with great objection by the Apache Nation, on sacred ground, but left everyone with zero explanation as to naming it Lucifer! Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. In the early 1980s, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as the preferred site for a huge observatory with up to 20 telescopes. Throughout the region of Arizona where the Apache lived, there are only two tribes that lived in territories that surrounded Mount Graham. A good place to start if you want to become an undergrad major or grad student, or need to find our schedule of classes. Change). Graham in Arizona to mount a telescope there? The Apache regard the Mt. Home Podcasts Start listening View podcast show Save for later Create a list Download to app plus if they are only God minded why the interest in archeology and astronomy. This was in spite of the fact that the building of telescopes on this sacred mountain by the University of Arizona and the Vatican was a controversial issue and had been the subject of . 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