Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. Activism. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. The pair is living in Chicago and is blessed with two children; both boys. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel I say we are. Not just anyone can do it well. He told me he had taken Ambien. It would seem somewhat of a legal issue to go around wiping documents and videos, no? And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? So, yes, Id vouch for his legitimacy. The video is on YouTube: I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. If nothing else, it is incredibly prideful of a person. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. . Very true, and far too common: Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Dr. Larry Nassar, Bill Hybels. To me (and probably to a lot of jurors), timely Disappearing of Evidence = ADMISSION OF GUILT. It goes with safe spaces at college. Lets go a little deeper. I know. Home; NEWS; Actress; . It was part of his long time abuse of her. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. The CIA is able to protect their emails as well. (1 Cor. Our job is to sow seeds. Some years ago on a dictionary of internet slang, Christian Side Hug was a term for non-genital sex intended to preserve technical virginity. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. What they are doing is exactly what someone who has been there would expect them to do. The new letter to John Ortberg is a farce and anyone who has been a victim advocate is aware of it. Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. Thats what she thinks is comparable? Or perhaps I am not getting it that this is the official stand of the elders, as well as Hybels. Brad Brucker wrote: WHAT EVIDENCE? In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. There are many Gods or gods. Is it the lack of family having your back? Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. ) bugs me. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. It would take only one cracker to spill all that confidential information to the world (or one thief of the pastors unencrypted computer). I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. Bigger news story is the Humbolt bus crash. Ok. Paul spoke up, and evidently appropriate action was taken, for which the Church at large benefitted. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. My working hypothesis is that any man intent on seduction of women through grooming them for emotional intimacy and/or sexual involvement will sow in whatever field hes in and will also create or develop the platform that makes it possible to keep the flow of victims going. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. Bill Hybels has stepped down from Chicago-area megachurch Willow Creek six months ahead of his planned retirement, in the wake of allegations of misconduct . Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Ok. Ok. My heart goes out to you, all of you, by coming forward you have contributed to breaking this cycle of abuse. Unfortunately, some of us are coming to the conclusion that this is what much of The Church really is: a thought reform institution. Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. If the 21st century church had the same healthy respect for a literal hell that the 1st century church had, we might behave differently in and out of church including church leaders! just questioning a seeker sensitive approach can bring down a fair amount of push -back , heat, and attacks on your faith So, now the geru of it has resigned, over minor or mad eup attacks?? They collected funds for widows and orphans, and then distributed those funds as promised. Get this straight. I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. Hybels was slated to retire from his position at Willow Creek in October 2018; however, he resigned in April 2018 after allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. Together, they have two children, a son by the name of Todd Hybels and a daughter Shauna Niequist. Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? I dont know why he does these things. My Comment was Deleted Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. As I said, I dont hug people at work. @ Law Prof: Im not sure if Julie is a regular or not (I cant keep up), but a new Twitter account alerted me to that article as well, that is why I asked. (In a related relevant situation, wasnt it the tech department that noticed irregularities with messaging from Tullian Tchividjian to women that directly led to the disclosure of his misconduct?). Boundaries, anyone? I have scolded him & tutted at what hes said & jokingly just gone go on , get out of here, but Id never tell his wife & risk that blowing anything in their family up. So thats why I was interested in this concept. The letter was ill received and insulting to victims. I though this was sarcasm but maybe she really was arguing that Bill should have that level of influence on anyone-let alone everyone he was bringing along. yikes! YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. Read Acts 2. But, still I try not to broad brush. They are not valid reasons. What shes done more than anything is reveal that Willow Creek had/has a culture and work environment that is not guided or governed by wise, common-sense policies or practices for accountabilityespecially when it came to male-female relationships. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. At what point will Heather Lawson realize that Willow Creek needs to over? and this they do with great skill. Tyndale House Publishers is suspending publication of a forthcoming new book from Bill Hybels, and InterVarsity Press is suspending reprint of one of his books. Bill Hy the Touchy Guy got himself into this and his elders proceeded to dig the hole deeper no devil required. FOUR YEARS!! He wanted to find out if she was still angry with him and what she would do about it if she was. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. Dont confuse the two. But telling someone immediately might be crucial in the future. Walking away from an institution is not the same as walking away from faith in Christ. Maybe thats just how he is. I will keep the website updated. However, there is HUGH group think/peer pressure to go with the flow and do not rock the boat, by questioning things. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w. I get it bothers you. That this has to be explained in The Church is unbelievable. First-run movies, gym memberships, bowling alleys, rock-climbing, restaurant franchises, lotsa merch & swag, all for a simple swipe or tap of your card (or phone app) charging each and every tap/swipe to your student loan? She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. There will be a full court press to save Hybels legacy. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? It is sadly, surprisingly easy. Im a pastor and a survivor of emotional/verbal abuse (in a relationship, not in a church), and I can tell you that one of the biggest reasons I stayed as long as I did was because I was convinced that I didnt deserve better, I made my own bed and had to sleep in it, and that what I got was as good as I could ever hope for. 30 seconds, if it was really that long, is a very long time for a hug. The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. Your boss? I believe that God is convicting WCCs leadership. Thats all the ambien defense is too. (Likewise, it seems that women did not have clarity about reportable behaviors and were expected to handle it on their own.). Then more examples came out. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. This does not quite add up. Amen! teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. So much emphasis on good works at home & abroad, what about treating your brothers & sisters in leadership with respect that comes from a relationship w/ Christ. In her statement Monday, Niequist said she remains "in relationship with my dad." "I love him, & I always will. My team of outsourced profs, quality tech people saw it, too. When I confronted him, most people said I made it up or misunderstood, even though I know they saw him go after others. I think we have lived the same life. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Willow Creek is an entertainment church and Hybels its star. No!! Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. A very misunderstood view of redemption; repentance and forgiveness is taught out there especially in seeker Megas. he is still a . And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. No one. And David C Cook did not remove Tullian Tchividjians books at the time, though when I checked just now, it appears the only one they carry is the biography of Billy Graham for which he wrote the foreword. You have been wanting to run the ad and move on. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. That said, I am still very thankful for the work of Willow Creek. In my opinion, much of the so-called church, admittedly unbeknownst to most of those involved, has been turned into a mind control, thought reform, get out the Republican vote institution. Have you ever watched the news when the police pick up some guy who is a pedophile and all the neighbors say But he was so nice. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? Even then, she was ashamed about what happened to her, as if it was her fault. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. I had the same thought about his promotion of women. As we got up to leave at the end of the evening Bill said to me in front of the group, Nancy why dont you stay for a couple of minutes for us to discuss your ministry work? I immediately looked at the others for how I should respond and one of them smiled and said, Okay, see you in the morning.. At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. The important thing is to get people on the bandwagon, and manipulate them to maintain their undying love and loyalty. Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. @ Deborah: What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. It is the private hotel rooms that can be dangerous. How would I know. I do not attend Willow Creek but I have friends who do, and Ive taken friends and family there in the past, hoping their seeker friendly focus might appeal to them. Thats how this tends to work. When the founding big cheeses are gone (sorta) the factions start forming. On our travels last summer one of the high points for my husband was to attend Willow Creek Church. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. These people have patience for the long con. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. And my guess is the elders dont know either. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Lynne Hybels, Wife of Pastor Bill Hybels, Gloriously Rises Above It All to Find a Christianity She 'Had Never Known' Photo Credit: LynneHybels.com "My husband and I have been married for over four decades. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? Bill Hybels Family. He never fails you. Given the complexity and amount of ongoing business involved in a multi-million-dollar, multi-campus enterprise, I would thank that their legal counsel would have ensured that documents (including emails) from all board members, staff, and other employees would need to be preserved, in case of legal/criminal issues arising. And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. Maybe you were mistaken, and maybe it was just a fluke and will never happen again. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. Oh but us Little Folk, we, Maybe He is cleaning house. What happened to Willow Creek? @ Barbara Roberts: But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. 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